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	<title>Comments on: Income Trust Pick: The Brick Income Fund (BRK.UN)</title>
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		<title>By: Smac20</title>
		<link>http://investingincanada.info/2009/08/income-trust-pick-brick-income-fund.html/comment-page-1#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Smac20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing with deficits is that they are not exactly as you would think.  Let me clarify, in many circumstances a deficit will be held on a balance sheet as an asset?  Yeah, there is obviously an off-setting transaction occurring on the liabilities side, but what this allows the company to do is reduce taxes going forward until the deficit is written off.  Remember any of the write-downs the banks have taken over the last year?

Obviously you don&#039;t want deficits to occur, but this does contribute to the value of a company.  Ever hear of a company being bought by another because they had significant write-downs on their books.  It&#039;s seems counter intuitive, but this is how the tax system works.

I even know a number of personal investors that run their accounts through a holding company that have engaged in a similar process.  This is the process, you took major losses last year (sold assets at a loss), since the government doesn&#039;t tax losses you have the benefit of carrying those losses forward against any future earnings.  One person I know well at the trough of the market after mayhem spun his negative experience into a positive, &quot;at least I won&#039;t have to pay tax for the next 5 years&quot; he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing with deficits is that they are not exactly as you would think.  Let me clarify, in many circumstances a deficit will be held on a balance sheet as an asset?  Yeah, there is obviously an off-setting transaction occurring on the liabilities side, but what this allows the company to do is reduce taxes going forward until the deficit is written off.  Remember any of the write-downs the banks have taken over the last year?</p>
<p>Obviously you don&#8217;t want deficits to occur, but this does contribute to the value of a company.  Ever hear of a company being bought by another because they had significant write-downs on their books.  It&#8217;s seems counter intuitive, but this is how the tax system works.</p>
<p>I even know a number of personal investors that run their accounts through a holding company that have engaged in a similar process.  This is the process, you took major losses last year (sold assets at a loss), since the government doesn&#8217;t tax losses you have the benefit of carrying those losses forward against any future earnings.  One person I know well at the trough of the market after mayhem spun his negative experience into a positive, &#8220;at least I won&#8217;t have to pay tax for the next 5 years&#8221; he said.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://investingincanada.info/2009/08/income-trust-pick-brick-income-fund.html/comment-page-1#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The brick posted a deficit  of $569,106,000/- in its latest third quarter balance sheet under UNITHOLDERS&#039; (DEFICIT) EQUITY on page 3 of 

http://media.integratir.com/T.BRK.UN/financials/Brick%20Fund%20FS%20Q3%202009%2011%2004%2009%20-%20FINAL%20-%20ld.pdf

it also posted a net profit of 0.5 million ie average of 2 million per annum. If it is able to maintain its improved performance it will take 235 years to wipe out the deficit of $569 million from its books and complete the turnaround.

Any clarifications would be welcome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The brick posted a deficit  of $569,106,000/- in its latest third quarter balance sheet under UNITHOLDERS&#8217; (DEFICIT) EQUITY on page 3 of </p>
<p><a href="http://media.integratir.com/T.BRK.UN/financials/Brick%20Fund%20FS%20Q3%202009%2011%2004%2009%20-%20FINAL%20-%20ld.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://media.integratir.com/T.BRK.UN/financials/Brick%20Fund%20FS%20Q3%202009%2011%2004%2009%20-%20FINAL%20-%20ld.pdf</a></p>
<p>it also posted a net profit of 0.5 million ie average of 2 million per annum. If it is able to maintain its improved performance it will take 235 years to wipe out the deficit of $569 million from its books and complete the turnaround.</p>
<p>Any clarifications would be welcome</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://investingincanada.info/2009/08/income-trust-pick-brick-income-fund.html/comment-page-1#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I am wrong, As far as I can understand The Brick had a net profit of around 17.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2008 before a goodwill impairment charge of $196.9 million, and an impairment charge of $44.6 million.

To demonstrate a clear turnaround they would have to post a net profit greater than 18 million in this current fourth quarter of 2009 as there is no more goodwill left to be impaired. Since in the third quarter the net profit was only 3.6 million before special charges it would have to do exceedingly well for the net income to jump five fold from 3.6 to 18 million.  Any clarifications would be welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I am wrong, As far as I can understand The Brick had a net profit of around 17.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2008 before a goodwill impairment charge of $196.9 million, and an impairment charge of $44.6 million.</p>
<p>To demonstrate a clear turnaround they would have to post a net profit greater than 18 million in this current fourth quarter of 2009 as there is no more goodwill left to be impaired. Since in the third quarter the net profit was only 3.6 million before special charges it would have to do exceedingly well for the net income to jump five fold from 3.6 to 18 million.  Any clarifications would be welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Smac20</title>
		<link>http://investingincanada.info/2009/08/income-trust-pick-brick-income-fund.html/comment-page-1#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Smac20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best information for tax consequences on this subject would be directly from the Revenue Canada website; however, they do not explain it very well.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you go to http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=88004 you will find a good analysis.  I will paste some comments from their site below: At the time the SIFT Legislation was announced, the Department of Finance announced that rules (the &quot;Conversion Rules&quot;) would be enacted to allow entities that were affected by the SIFT Legislation to convert into taxable Canadian corporations without any adverse tax consequences to them or their unitholders. The Conversion Rules were subsequently enacted into law on March 12, 2009 and contemplate the conversion of an income trust into a taxable Canadian corporation through either a unit-for-share exchange with a corporate successor (the &quot;Exchange Method&quot;) or a distribution of shares of a corporate subsidiary by the income trust to its unitholders on redemption of the trust units (the &quot;Distribution Method&quot;). The Conversion Rules also provide for a tax-deferred wind-up of an income trust after it is taken over by a taxable Canadian corporation, which can allow the purchaser to offer unitholders a rollover on an exchange of income trust units for shares of the purchaser. It also allows the preservation of tax basis where the assets of the income trust have a tax cost greater than their fair market value.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So it seems there will not be a taxable consequence as long as the conversions are done according to the method described above; however, were told during the Conservatives election campaign that they would not be altering the income trust taxation structure and look what happened.  I know a number of retirees that had a major wipe out of their portfolios after the suprise legislation was announced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best information for tax consequences on this subject would be directly from the Revenue Canada website; however, they do not explain it very well.  </p>
<p>If you go to <a href="http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=88004" rel="nofollow">http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=88004</a> you will find a good analysis.  I will paste some comments from their site below: At the time the SIFT Legislation was announced, the Department of Finance announced that rules (the &quot;Conversion Rules&quot;) would be enacted to allow entities that were affected by the SIFT Legislation to convert into taxable Canadian corporations without any adverse tax consequences to them or their unitholders. The Conversion Rules were subsequently enacted into law on March 12, 2009 and contemplate the conversion of an income trust into a taxable Canadian corporation through either a unit-for-share exchange with a corporate successor (the &quot;Exchange Method&quot;) or a distribution of shares of a corporate subsidiary by the income trust to its unitholders on redemption of the trust units (the &quot;Distribution Method&quot;). The Conversion Rules also provide for a tax-deferred wind-up of an income trust after it is taken over by a taxable Canadian corporation, which can allow the purchaser to offer unitholders a rollover on an exchange of income trust units for shares of the purchaser. It also allows the preservation of tax basis where the assets of the income trust have a tax cost greater than their fair market value.</p>
<p>So it seems there will not be a taxable consequence as long as the conversions are done according to the method described above; however, were told during the Conservatives election campaign that they would not be altering the income trust taxation structure and look what happened.  I know a number of retirees that had a major wipe out of their portfolios after the suprise legislation was announced.</p>
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		<title>By: ash</title>
		<link>http://investingincanada.info/2009/08/income-trust-pick-brick-income-fund.html/comment-page-1#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would the tax consequence be on conversion of income units to corporation shares</description>
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		<title>By: ash</title>
		<link>http://investingincanada.info/2009/08/income-trust-pick-brick-income-fund.html/comment-page-1#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would the tax consequence be on conversion.</description>
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		<title>By: Smac20</title>
		<link>http://investingincanada.info/2009/08/income-trust-pick-brick-income-fund.html/comment-page-1#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Smac20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I still think it is a good pick because when there is a conversion there is likely to be a tax consequence, but by holding it in the TFSA you will not experience this.  Further, from the recent Q3 update this company has gained significant cash flow and liquidity.  As a result, the Brick is now able to fight a potential further decline in future sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I still think it is a good pick because when there is a conversion there is likely to be a tax consequence, but by holding it in the TFSA you will not experience this.  Further, from the recent Q3 update this company has gained significant cash flow and liquidity.  As a result, the Brick is now able to fight a potential further decline in future sales.</p>
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